Siemens fornuis 2 phase perilex aansluiting

[vivimana]

Dear forum members,

I have a 2 phase perilex in my kitchen and I recently bought a siemens stove. I am having trouble to understand how to correctly connect the cables. I think I know where to put 4 cables, but where does the grey (second N) goes to? and do I need to make bridges between 2-3, 4-5 connectors?

Could anyone please give me an advice?

Gr, Vivi

 

[Vonken_trekker]

You don't have a 2 phase perilex but a 2 times the samen (1) phase perilex.

You need a stove which has two separate connectors for N / neutral. Unfortunately your house has a single phase 'coocking circuit' power source, something typically Dutch and not taken into account by most manufacturers.

If your house is equiped with a three phase circuit, it would be way easier as you are able to connect most stoves to this type of power source.

 

[Tom345]

To me it looks like this stove can be connected to a 2x230V circuit breaker, like you have. What is the model number of your stove?

 

[vivimana]

Hi Tom, it is Siemens HL9S5A340 / 6

 

[Tom345]

I would myself tend to not connect a device to a 2x230V circuitbreaker, if the manufacture does not provide a schema for that and rather choose a different device. However, there are not many combination of cooker+oven available, which do not require 3 phases.
The following should work. Place a bridge between 2 and 3 and remove all other bridges. Conneect the brown wire to 1, the black to 2, the grey to 4 and the blue to 5.
You need to limit the power of the device, using the power management function, as your circuit breaker cannot deliver 7900 W. It might be necessary to call Siemens service for this, as I could not find this information in the manual. (Instead it describes how to set the water hardness, which makes no sense.)

 

[vivimana]

I see.. wow thank you for the detailed information.
May I ask you what is 2phase perilex? because I paid 500 euros for this setup, and was told that there is no space for 3 phase but 2 (and that was the requirement on the webshops for this stove).
Have the electrician installed the wrong thing for me?

 

[Vonken_trekker]

I would not recommand this type of installation. The manufacturer did not provide a scheme for 2 neutral wires. You could assume that 4 and 5 can both function as a separate neutral connection but that still is an assumption... not one that I would like to make.

2 times the same phase is not the same as a 2 phase connection. You can find lots of information about single phase versus 3 phase sources online

The electrician did nothing wrong. The thing is that your house has a single phase power source. Than you have two options. 1 is to switch your house its power source to 3 phase and replace a big part of the fuse box. Or you just install this typically Dutch 'coocking circuit' and accept that your choice in stoves is limited as well as the maximum power you have available.

 

[vivimana]

Hi Vonken, thank you for your help. I do finally realize that I have only 1 phase. so basically I cannot use the stove. and 500 euros I spent for the perilex were for nothing..

 

[Vonken_trekker]

I added some text to my previous reaction in the meantime .

Question is if the electrician already knew which exact stove you wanted to install.

 

[vivimana]

no the electrician didn't know which oven I would use and he installed the box 6 months ago. but I was told it is 2phase perilex and that is why I was searching online accordingly.
now I have to find out what is cheaper option a new oven or switch to 3 phase...

 

[XanderH]

@vivimana Are you sure your house doesn't have a 3 phase connection?

You've only showed a small part of the fusebox, so we can't see it.

 

[vivimana]

Here is the full setup

 

[XanderH]

That's single phase indeed.

Do you rent or own the house? If you rent it you're most likely not allowed to make big changes without prior approval from the owner. Switching the main supply to 3 phase and replacing the fusebox is a good example of such a big change.

(I noticed the recent "gekeurd" sticker, most home owners I know don't have their electrical installation inspected regularly, that's why I suspect the house may be owned by a large rental corporation?)

Maybe you could install the stove safe in the current setup, like explained in reply #5, but there's no way to know for sure without the manufacterer supplying the correct scheme.

 

[vivimana]

Hi, it is indeed a social house, a big corporation. at this point, because I have already made changes in the electric box, bu installing an additional box, all the responsibility is on me, in case anything happens. I am allowed to install a new fusebox. but I have to see the cost of that, and if it is worth investing in a rental property.